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    "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

    How much freedom do we have to exercise our ego before it gets perceived as narcissism? How much should we have? I guess it's a bit like asking when does erotica become pornography? ... or when does a man become womanly (or a woman, manly)? Taking the second metaphor, it is my view that a man should be a man. Immediately, people will read this as my endorsing Trog and Ogg (and the dance of the dueling clubs). Few will view it as Karpov and Fischer (and dueling chess armies). Even fewer as gentleman and gentleman.

    And therein lies my dilemma, should I attempt being Bobby Fischer? Should I be satisfied with being a gentleman. Or should I get rid of the EGO altogether and go with the ID (and the club-wielding wizards of instinct)?

    It's been my experience (throughout my life) that whenever I climb towards the Fischer peak, people notice me and proceed to brand me with the label "Narcissist!" And when I descend into the valley, I rarely get noticed; moreover, my ears and eyes get accosted with all kinds of wasteland energy. And when I neither climb nor descend, I'm the perfect gentleman.

    To wit, society maximizes our comfort when we are perfect gentlemen (or ladies). And it gives us diminishing returns either when we climb (for we get noticed and are derided for aspiring to higher standards) ... or when we descend (for we get anonymity in the wasteland and are debased by the lower standards there).

    That said, is narcissism a fair label? After all, the normative mass is always going to be below us if we have climbing intelligence. IMO, the charge of narcissism is merely the gravitational pull of the mob - the mediocre mob - trying to increase its own mass. The mob is a fat lady feeling thin, as it were. And because of this, all too many minds with the ability to scale the mountain to the top, had fallen off - well short of the peak - because they had made a false negotiation with the mountain. The gravitational pull of the mob is ready to acquire all false negotiations.

    I say to all those with climbing intelligence, go to the top! (But watch your footing.)


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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

    I say to all those with climbing intelligence, go to the top! (But watch your footing.)

    could have given this advice a couple of year ago

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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zook_e_Pi View Post
    How much freedom do we have to exercise our ego before it gets perceived as narcissism?
    oooooo...ooooo, i can answer that one...when we leave our humanity behind in favor of our ego.
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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

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    It's been my experience (throughout my life) that whenever I climb towards the Fischer peak, people notice me and proceed to brand me with the label "Narcissist!" And when I descend into the valley, I rarely get noticed;
    another by-product of living with the 'others'. Don't give up...but if you are right (whatever that means), you are right...let them eat cake. Perhaps a little patience is in order and perhaps a little more toughness. What you say is absolutely correct so just let your 'actions' do the speaking and forum posting. Which, of course, poses another dilemma, The forum is the modern analogue to Edwin Abbott Abbott's 'Flatland'. Nevertheless, Truth will out, it is inevitable as the sunrise.

    But you know what, Zook, your poetry speaks of your mind, intellect, and true worth...it should be enough for anyone worth considering.

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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

    A good future pub topic. I coined a term today for fictional purposes only. Criminalized self acceptance.

    I think the line is healthy ego versus small or unhealthy ego. I personally don't observe people with inflated egos, just small ones. People with healthy egos don't bother me. Small ego I want to shake til they wake up to themselves. Bu people with healthy egos are never really accepted among those with small ones. One must cultivate those with egos of equal health. There's a certain harmony that arises from that.

    Comfort and safety is overrated. While there are times I like to be comfortable, its not a state to live in all the time (most of the time) if you want some progress. I tried to get one of my riding students to loosen up and she said she wasn't comfortable. I told her to sit on a couch; you don't ride for comfort. She confessed then she was afraid of looking foolish. Which is basically what riding is about. A horse is designed to make us look foolish until we do things its way.

    Erotica vs Ponography. Erotica taunts the imagination. Pornography is too graphic to leave anything to the imagination.

    You'd probably make a better Zookie than a Bobby Fishcer and Bobby Fischer probably wouldn't make a very good Zookie. While I agree I see in others some qualities in others I'd not mind cultivating in myself.....that can be achieved if one has the potential for it without misplacing your own identity.

    The whole point is to first find qualities in yourself you didn't know existed. Then you are less inclined to look elsewhere for them.

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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

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    oooooo...ooooo, i can answer that one...when we leave our humanity behind in favor of our ego.
    But what if humanity is the favor of ego?

    Put in another way, ego lends to self-esteem ... so doesn't it follow that the highest ego lends to the highest self-esteem?


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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Bomm View Post
    another by-product of living with the 'others'. Don't give up...but if you are right (whatever that means), you are right...let them eat cake. Perhaps a little patience is in order and perhaps a little more toughness.
    There are many that are more patient than me, true enough, but I doubt there are many of greater toughness (within the confines of the human condition). I mean, people can train themselves to be cold as ice cubes, and as hard, but they do so at the expense of their human condition.

    What you say is absolutely correct so just let your 'actions' do the speaking and forum posting. Which, of course, poses another dilemma, The forum is the modern analogue to Edwin Abbott Abbott's 'Flatland'. Nevertheless, Truth will out, it is inevitable as the sunrise.
    Truth exists across all dimensions. Truth in higher dimensions is more comprehensive. Being three dimensional creatures, our thought is more comprehensive than the thought of Flatlanders. This forum is a communication medium for 3-D critters, not 2-D Flatlanders or 1-D Flatliners. As such, if you feel there is only 2-D Flatland communication here ... perhaps, you should raise your head off the plane and think inside the box. After that, you may even tease yourself with thoughts outside the box.


    But you know what, Zook, your poetry speaks of your mind, intellect, and true worth...it should be enough for anyone worth considering.
    It is not greedy to want more than one has, even if one has enough for the basic knowledgebase. If one needs more, one should seek more. Some of us are sufficed by the neighborhood block gossip. Some of us are restless until we get a galactic chunk of the Universal knowledgbase. To each their own.


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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

    no, no, and no...to wit, the hunger is born of the double-bind...release the double bind and carry on.

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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Bomm View Post
    no, no, and no...to wit, the hunger is born of the double-bind...release the double bind and carry on.
    The human journey is filled to the rafters with apparent paradoxes. The Universe itself contains no actual paradoxes. Paradoxes cannot exist in the same conceptual space, because they require the existence of both A and B (which are mutually exclusive). But they can exist in apparition (in the same conceptual space). Apparent paradoxes represent the appearance of paradox, not the existence itself.

    If you mean that the hunger is born of the apparent paradoxes, then perhaps you're right. I've released many apparent paradoxes. Alas, for every one I release, two pop up. I'm always left feeling hungry. Anyone have a Snickers around?


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    Re: "The world is a breast and I'm the nipple." - The Egotist? (or The Narcissist??)

    paradoxes do exist in the same conceptual space of those confused by illusion and no recourse in reality. That is the human stain imposed by the human condition.

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