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    Re: SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Very interesting Zook, something is definitely going on there. On the other hand, Hitler made no secret of his distaste for Jews in Mein Kampf either. What I've found most of interest though is why all the focus on Hitler as the crazed, bloodthirsty murderer, when during the same general time war atrocity was practically in vogue.

    Roosevelt, his buddies Churchill and Uncle Joe, Mao, no war crimes for the millions they murdered? Nope, for some reason just Germany (and Japan) committed those cruel and inhumane acts, everyone else fought "The Good War"... I wonder how history would read had the Axis powers won the day?
    There are at least three classes of truthseekers, Fred.

    (1) Those who admire Hitler and blame the Zionists.
    (2) Those who despise Hitler and blame the Zionists.
    (3) Those are indifferent to Hitler and blame the Zionists.

    All other classes can be discarded because they neither understand nor respect the fundamental truths of that historical period in Germany and larger Europe, namely, Zionist culpability. So regardless if anyone admires, dislikes, or are indifferent to Hitler, if they exculpate the Zionists, then they are in contempt of the prima facie, circumstantial and forensic evidence wrt teh rise and fall of Nazi Germany.

    Myself, I choose to ignore Hitler other than to disabuse false interpretations about him or his role in Nazi Germany. My focus is on the deceptions of that period, not the patsies being pushed around like pawns, which Hitler certainly was. Same goes for today's political patsies (Obama, Cameron, Merkel, Putin, etc.) ... all of whom are little more than Punch and Judys with the Hidden Hand of Zionism lodged up their ass.

    So yes, Churchill, Stalin, Roosevelt and other capuchins of the Allied Powers ... are just as culpable as the capuchins of the Axis Powers. But the culpability of capuchins is a far timid thing when compared to the culpability of the organ grinders, The Protocols Of The Learned Elders of Zion Babylonian Talmud banksters. It's the organ grinder that cranks the noisebox.

    These organ grinders met up at least once in 1909, and rendered the minutes of a meeting of the Carnegie Endowment For International Peace (which is an Orwellianism) ... where they designed a war for Europe, e.g. to change the nature of its civilization.

    http://www.realityzone.com/hiddenagenda2.html


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    We are now at the year 1908, which was the year that the Carnegie Foundation began operations. In that year, the trustees, meeting for the first time, raised a specific question, which they discussed throughout the balance of the year in a very learned fashion. The question is: “Is there any means known more effective than war, assuming you wish to alter the life of an entire people?” And they conclude that no more effective means than war to that end is known to humanity.

    So then, in 1909, they raised the second question and discussed it, namely: “How do we involve the United States in a war?”

    Well, I doubt at that time if there was any subject more removed from the thinking of most of the people of this country than its involvement in a war. There were intermittent shows in the Balkans, but I doubt very much if many people even knew where the Balkans were. Then, finally, they answered that question as follows: “We must control the State Department.” That very naturally raises the question of how do we do that? And they answer it by saying: “We must take over and control the diplomatic machinery of this country.” And, finally, they resolve to aim at that as an objective.

    Then time passes, and we are eventually in a war, which would be World War I. At that time they record on their minutes a shocking report in which they dispatched to President Wilson a telegram, cautioning him to see that the war does not end too quickly.

    Finally, of course, the war is over. At that time their interest shifts over to preventing what they call a reversion of life in the United States to what it was prior to 1914 when World War I broke out. At that point they came to the conclusion that, to prevent a reversion, “we must control education in the United States.” They realize that that's a pretty big task. It is too big for them alone, so they approach the Rockefeller Foundation with the suggestion that that portion of education which could be considered domestic be handled by the Rockefeller Foundation and that portion which is international should be handled by the Endowment. They then decide that the key to success of these two operations lay in the alteration of the teaching of American history.

    So they approach four of the then-most prominent teachers of American history in the country – people like Charles and Mary Byrd – and their suggestion to them is: will they alter the manner in which they present their subject? And they got turned down flat. So they then decide that it is necessary for them to do as they say, “build our own stable of historians.”

    Then they approach the Guggenheim Foundation, which specializes in fellowships, and say: “When we find young men in the process of studying for doctorates in the field of American history and we feel that they are the right caliber, will you grant them fellowships on our say-so?” And the answer is yes. So, under that condition, eventually they assembled assemble twenty, and they take this twenty potential teachers of American history to London, and there they're briefed on what is expected of them when, as, and if they secure appointments in keeping with the doctorates they will have earned. That group of twenty historians ultimately becomes the nucleus of the American Historical Association.

    Toward the end of the 1920's, the Endowment grants to the American Historical Association $400,000 for a study of our history in a manner which points to what can this country look forward to in the future. That culminates in a seven-volume study, the last volume of which is, of course, in essence a summary of the contents of the other six. The essence of the last volume is: The future of this country belongs to collectivism administered with characteristic American efficiency. That's the story that ultimately grew out of and, of course, was what could have been presented by the members of this Congressional committee to the congress as a whole for just exactly what it said. They never got to that point.
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    Re: SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Roosevelt, his buddies Churchill and Uncle Joe, Mao, no war crimes for the millions they murdered? Nope, for some reason just Germany (and Japan) committed those cruel and inhumane acts, everyone else fought "The Good War"... I wonder how history would read had the Axis powers won the day?

    There is only ever one story with regards the war in the media, press, TV, movies, literature; Hitler was the bad guy and he killed millions of Jews.


    There is an alternative view of this history in the book Hellstorm which details the Allied mass firebombing of German cities like Dresdan to the point that every living creature was destroyed and the "the savage rapes and murders of 2 million German women at the hands of Red army soldiers, the bulk of them Mongols, Tatars and Jews with an atavistic hatred of the White race. These Russian troops had been incited to lustmurder by the psychopathic Jewish propagandist Ilya Ehrenberg." http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11...m-book-review/


    The book has been made into an excellent documentary. It is well worth watching.

    http://www.hellstormdocumentary.com/

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    Re: SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD

    Not trying to diminish, or downplay anything here, but I am curious, and puzzled by something:

    You kill one Jew, you're a murderer.

    You kill 6 million Jews, and you are forever a monster, reviled on a daily basis.

    But...
    Kill 14 million Jews, and no one ever talks about it. You even get a nickname like "Uncle Joe".

    I must've missed a memo, somewhere along the way.
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    Re: SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD

    14 million Jews, Mr Fred?

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    Re: SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD

    Trailer to a film about other losses in the war, particularly the millions killed in Germany by the allies when the war was over.


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    German refugees starved in Denmark after the war, many of them children denied food, water and basic medical care - described as shocking and inhumane.


    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...0children.html

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    It's sad to see these kinds of argument as a counter to the Holocaust but:

    It's all tragic, understand, all of it is heart rending. Focus not on what but WHY!!!!!!!!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!


    We are destroying ourselves.

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    Re: SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD

    Academic criticism:

    Academic reviewers question three major aspects of Bacque's work: his claims that there was no post-war food shortage in other European countries; Bacque's estimate of the number of German deaths; and the allegation that Eisenhower was deliberately vindictive. Bacque's critics note many of the German soldiers were sick and wounded at the time of their surrender, and say his work does not place the plight of the German prisoners within the context of the grim situation in Western Europe in 1945 and 1946.

    Writing in the Canadian Historical Review, David Stafford called the book "a classic example of a worthwhile investigation marred by polemic and overstatement." R.J. Rummell, a scholar of 20th-century atrocities, has written that "Bacque misread, misinterpreted, or ignored the relevant documents and that his mortality statistics are simply impossible." More recently, writing in the Encyclopedia of Prisoners of War and Internment, S. P. MacKenzie states, "That German prisoners were treated very badly in the months immediately after the war […] is beyond dispute.

    All in all, however, Bacque's thesis and mortality figures cannot be taken as accurate".

    Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who helped edit Other Losses, wrote "I quarrel with many of your interpretations, [but] I am not arguing with the basic truth of your discovery" and acknowledged that Bacque had made a "major historical discovery", in the sense that very little attention had hitherto been paid to the treatment of German POWs in Allied hands.

    He acknowledged he did not now support Bacque's conclusions, but said at the American Military Institute's Annual Meeting in March, 1990:

    "Bacque has done some research and uncovered an important story that I, and other American historians, missed altogether in work on Eisenhower and the conclusion of the war. When those millions of Wehrmacht soldiers came into captivity at the end of the war, many of them were deliberately and brutally mistreated. There is no denying this. There are men in this audience who were victims of this mistreatment. It is a story that has been kept quiet."

    However, in a 1991 New York Times book review, Ambrose also claimed that

    "when scholars do the necessary research, they will find Mr. Bacque's work to be worse than worthless. It is seriously—nay, spectacularly—flawed in its most fundamental aspects. […] Mr. Bacque is wrong on every major charge and nearly all his minor ones. Eisenhower was not a Hitler, he did not run death camps, German prisoners did not die by the hundreds of thousands, there was a severe food shortage in 1945, there was nothing sinister or secret about the "disarmed enemy forces" designation or about the column "other losses." Mr. Bacque's "missing million" were old men and young boys in the Volkssturm (People's Militia) released without formal discharge and transfers of POWs to other allies control areas."


    A book-length disputation of Bacque's work, entitled Eisenhower and the German POWs, appeared in 1992, featuring essays by British, American, and German historians.
    Despite the criticisms of Bacque's methodology, Stephen Ambrose and Brian Loring Villa, the authors of the chapter on German POW deaths, conceded the Allies were motivated in their treatment of captured Germans by disgust and revenge for German atrocities. They did, however, argue Bacque's casualty figures are far too high, and that policy was set by Allied politicians, not by Eisenhower.


    Stephen Ambrose said, "we as Americans can't duck the fact that terrible things happened. And they happened at the end of a war we fought for decency and freedom, and they are not excusable."

    Jonathan Osmond, writing in the Journal of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, said:
    "Bacque […] has published a corrective to the impression that the Western allies after the Second World War behaved in a civilised manner to the conquered Germans […] It is clear that he has opened up once more a serious subject dominated by the explanations of those in power. Even if two-thirds of the statistical discrepancies exposed by Bacque could be accounted for by the chaos of the situation, there would still be a case to answer."

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    Re: SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Bomm View Post
    It's sad to see these kinds of argument as a counter to the Holocaust but:

    It's all tragic, understand, all of it is heart rending. Focus not on what but WHY!!!!!!!!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!


    We are destroying ourselves.


    Exactly we need to understand why it happened. We can only do that when we examine the past properly. If everyone had an understanding that we have been lied to about the second world war, we would not be walking into the third one now.

    I have no idea how many people died in that war but it was many, many millions. Official figure is 60 million but it could be more. How many will die in the next one if people don't wake up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Bomm View Post
    Academic criticism:

    Academic reviewers question three major aspects of Bacque's work: his claims that there was no post-war food shortage in other European countries; Bacque's estimate of the number of German deaths; and the allegation that Eisenhower was deliberately vindictive. Bacque's critics note many of the German soldiers were sick and wounded at the time of their surrender, and say his work does not place the plight of the German prisoners within the context of the grim situation in Western Europe in 1945 and 1946.

    Writing in the Canadian Historical Review, David Stafford called the book "a classic example of a worthwhile investigation marred by polemic and overstatement." R.J. Rummell, a scholar of 20th-century atrocities, has written that "Bacque misread, misinterpreted, or ignored the relevant documents and that his mortality statistics are simply impossible." More recently, writing in the Encyclopedia of Prisoners of War and Internment, S. P. MacKenzie states, "That German prisoners were treated very badly in the months immediately after the war […] is beyond dispute.

    All in all, however, Bacque's thesis and mortality figures cannot be taken as accurate".

    Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who helped edit Other Losses, wrote "I quarrel with many of your interpretations, [but] I am not arguing with the basic truth of your discovery" and acknowledged that Bacque had made a "major historical discovery", in the sense that very little attention had hitherto been paid to the treatment of German POWs in Allied hands.

    He acknowledged he did not now support Bacque's conclusions, but said at the American Military Institute's Annual Meeting in March, 1990:

    "Bacque has done some research and uncovered an important story that I, and other American historians, missed altogether in work on Eisenhower and the conclusion of the war. When those millions of Wehrmacht soldiers came into captivity at the end of the war, many of them were deliberately and brutally mistreated. There is no denying this. There are men in this audience who were victims of this mistreatment. It is a story that has been kept quiet."

    However, in a 1991 New York Times book review, Ambrose also claimed that

    "when scholars do the necessary research, they will find Mr. Bacque's work to be worse than worthless. It is seriously—nay, spectacularly—flawed in its most fundamental aspects. […] Mr. Bacque is wrong on every major charge and nearly all his minor ones. Eisenhower was not a Hitler, he did not run death camps, German prisoners did not die by the hundreds of thousands, there was a severe food shortage in 1945, there was nothing sinister or secret about the "disarmed enemy forces" designation or about the column "other losses." Mr. Bacque's "missing million" were old men and young boys in the Volkssturm (People's Militia) released without formal discharge and transfers of POWs to other allies control areas."


    A book-length disputation of Bacque's work, entitled Eisenhower and the German POWs, appeared in 1992, featuring essays by British, American, and German historians.
    Despite the criticisms of Bacque's methodology, Stephen Ambrose and Brian Loring Villa, the authors of the chapter on German POW deaths, conceded the Allies were motivated in their treatment of captured Germans by disgust and revenge for German atrocities. They did, however, argue Bacque's casualty figures are far too high, and that policy was set by Allied politicians, not by Eisenhower.


    Stephen Ambrose said, "we as Americans can't duck the fact that terrible things happened. And they happened at the end of a war we fought for decency and freedom, and they are not excusable."

    Jonathan Osmond, writing in the Journal of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, said:
    "Bacque […] has published a corrective to the impression that the Western allies after the Second World War behaved in a civilised manner to the conquered Germans […] It is clear that he has opened up once more a serious subject dominated by the explanations of those in power. Even if two-thirds of the statistical discrepancies exposed by Bacque could be accounted for by the chaos of the situation, there would still be a case to answer."

    - wiki -


    The official story of WWII is that the Nazi committed the atrocities, they were the bad guys and the allies were the good guys who freed the world.

    You will get that story through Jewish owned or Zionist controlled media, films and books and that includes Wiki.

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