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    Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Interesting Documentary



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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Thanks Scott, excellent...

    Operant conditioning shapes behaviour as a sculptor moulds a clump of clay

    or as I say "as malleable as dough"

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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Nice little documentary, I picked up a couple of things that I wasn't aware of before. Always a good thing! Although they did a nice job in laying bare the false left "Progressive" paradigm, I didn't see much laying bare of the false right "Conservative" paradigm. They seemed to give it a little bit of lip service every now and then, but that was about it.

    For instance when observing MSNBC as in their example with Melissa Harris Perry I'm looking at Communism, but when I'm observing the leggy short skirts over at FOX News I'm looking at Fascism. Demonstrating how these two wings of the same bird actually fly together not only as One united State, but simultaneously blinds and divides us with more of that deeply rooted indoctrination they were talking about, would have turned a good documentary into a *very* good documentary IMO.


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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    geez, sounds like double talk...without government intervention companies and markets regulate themselves. Fantasy,,, is anyone really expected to believe that? talk about sleight of hand, placing content like this in a documentary such as this purportedly for 'good'. I don't know who authored this but my guess would be (without looking) a high ranking republican businessman/operative...I'll look it up and I'll bet 50.00 to anybody's 10.00 that I'm right.

    overqualified my statement...not Republican but conservative "Libertarianism". The would be new world dictators. They are so transparent...
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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Laissez faire has no place in modern economics...it is an outmoded concept that is used to exploit the working class...period!

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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I didn't see much laying bare of the false right "Conservative" paradigm. They seemed to give it a little bit of lip service every now and then, but that was about it.
    There is a reason...it probably came from a well-placed Fox News patriot...it was obvious to me from the 1st few minutes...it is so discouraging when I see things like this. It is propaganda of the sickest kind. It's couched in terms of "I'm so knowledgeable, so reasonable, and so historically accurate"...but it's all b.s. in tenor, intent, and devoid of a reality context.

    Watch out for this kind of stuff...it's diabolical...

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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Adam, do you consider yourself a Progressive? Just curious.

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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Odd, I thought it very clear, myself.

    The part on robber barons was something I'd noticed, myself. I've also wondered why you don't hear that reported much. After all, its a neat trick. They did miss a piece of that puzzle, though. These are folk of the truly "vulture capitalist" variety. Having made a bazillion, they move their efforts into a tax free foundation. Nice trick, if you can afford it.

    But the part that always puzzled me was, why, after displaying the worst brand of predatory business, they turn around and extoll the most socialistic programs from within their foundations? Is it conscience? Ha! What they're looking for is a way to train, and socialize a "well mannered" market for themselves. One that stays in line, and keeps on buying, and maintaining the works. In short... herd management.

    They did miss an interesting part, I thought. Notice that most of these groups push for "social reform" using government as its vehicle for both delivery, and enforcement. Now that was pure genius!

    Get it? The whole system of herd management is foisted on the government, who holds the whip, and while they sit behind a nice tax free shield, the cost of all their noble ideas is laid on the very victims of same!

    And who better to sell it, than a bunch of well meaning folk, with high ideas, that someone else is going to pay for? Hell, even I have a pocket full of great ideas, so long as they don't have to be paid for.

    I recommend that you listen to folk carefully. Be wary of people who over-use the word "should", when discussing social issues. They're dangerous.
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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Something they glossed over, that should have been further explained, though. And that this is not a "new" trick. Really its an old one. They only mentioned the term once, or twice, but what we are seeing, in the US, anyway. The proper term for what we have become (become, not becoming, or "might" anything) is a fascist state.

    Now, the term, bears looking up anew. Most people hear the term "fascist", they immediately think of a bunch of goose-stepping NAZIs, and a crazy dude screaming from a podium.
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    Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and traditional conservatism. Fascism is often placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum, but several academics have said that the description is inadequate.

    Fascists have identified World War I as having been a revolution. It brought revolutionary changes in the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of total war and total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilian and combatant. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved to the military in some manner during the war

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    From the Free Dictionary: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism.

    But this time around it has a new wrinkle. Instead of government owning the corporations, its the other way around. the corporations, having gained control of government, have kidnapped the military for their own goals, and vastly broadened its policing powers, to keep the people in line. Mussolini, who invented the stuff called it "Corporatism", only this time around the emphasis is on the "corporate".

    Meanwhile, about the only thing most Americans know about fascism is, "It can't happen here!" Kinda sad, really.
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    Re: Hidden Influence: The Rise of Collectivism

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Adam, do you consider yourself a Progressive? Just curious.
    that's a funny question...most conservatives would consider me a socialist...which, i might be...but, I see myself as a 21st century realist and certainly not an authoritarian, the one caveat of ultra leftist philosophy and the pillar of conservatism. Most world political philosophies are pure fantastical facade to the real core beliefs. As I've stated to various posters, if progressives are pretend good guys, I still choose to side with the pretenders of good because as a side effect of the pretense is actual good. The masses have been exploited in shameless fashion for the last 150 years...post industrial revolution. I believe that Marxism evolved as a necessary counter to capitalism. Of course, a blend of both is the only practical solution to humanity's current issues.

    What is alarming about this presentation is the accomplished methods that are used to twist reality...it's what these people do best, I've concluded it's innate...innately disturbed...purely and wholly psychopathic.
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