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    The future...in our lifetime.

    Like it, hate it or indifferent to it... it matters not because it's happening right here right now.

    The exponential tech curve is almost unbelievable and not so much as to its technology, but rather the speed at which it is being developed.

    In the next 20 years, we will see a dramatic decline in the general work force where Humans are the minority and AI is the majority. From service industries to autonomous vehicles, our days are numbered as the 'work force'.

    We will see the Universal income become a reality sooner than later and already it is being trialed in several countries...
    http://basicincome.org/news/2017/05/...-2017-updates/

    because the social engineers and developers understand the enormous changes facing Humankind. It's worthy to note that the typical Social engineers of the last 100 odd years, moulding and directing the course of Human thinking are now well behind the ball and are like the rest of us...becoming swamped by a rampant runaway train we have no control over...that being the tech world.

    No longer a specialized field of 'research and development' hidden away under some umbrella of corporate control, this is now being done in bedrooms, basements and uni flats...by anyone with a passion for tech and development.

    You can already buy a 'Do-it-yourself CRISPR genome editing kits bring genetic engineering to your kitchen bench'
    https://newatlas.com/home-crispr-gen...ing-kit/40362/

    It will take too long to post all of the here now and coming changes in our lives...

    Here a few basic things that are happening or coming in the very near future.

    Article:

    IN THE COMMUNITY

    1) Schools being used just once a day.

    “As population density increases in urban areas, infrastructure like schools will double down on their resources” says James Fogelberg, former ‘Head of What’s Next’ at Adshel. “Schools will be used twice in one day. They’ll offer parents the option of sending kids to either morning or afternoon and even evening school.”

    2) Leaving your house to vote.

    The blockchain will create the security and opportunity to vote digitally in elections. It’s already happening — overseas Australians were able to vote online in the postal survey on same-sex marriage.

    Futurist Dave Yeates says: “The blockchain works with currencies like Bitcoin right now, but it’ll change how we digitally certify both ourselves and our ballot papers. That’s right: no more awkward queues at school voting booths.” Shame about the traditional democracy sausage then (more on meat later).

    3) Stopping at traffic lights.

    Business futurist Morris Miselowski says: “Forget traffic lights, speed limits and roundabouts. In a world where vehicles, roads, and infrastructure are constantly chatting to each other, we’ll soon be able to figure out how to dynamically adjust the traffic lights, road conditions and available parking to best suit the traffic it’s trying to cope with at that moment.”

    Yes, we won’t be sad to have to leave traffic lights in the past.

    IN THE HOME.

    4) Paying for your own Wi-Fi.

    “In the sharing economy, wificoin and other blockchain technologies will mean sharing Wi-Fi with your neighbours will become common, leading to you paying four times less than you currently do” says Matt Hoggett, co-founder of Prezzee. “It’ll also enable you to earn money via micro-payments. It’s a win-win for everyone.”

    5) Using a mobile phone.

    Futurist Bachir El Khoury says you can say goodbye to your iPhone or Samsung Galaxy: “In five to ten years, people will look back at smartphones as we look back at the Nokia brick phone. It only took ten years to have the iPhone, and now only ten years after having the revolutionary touch screen, we speak to them! Phones will be replaced by smarter sensors and devices, such as glasses (Microsoft Hololens) and in particular virtual retinal display technology.”

    6) Typing and reading.

    Brain machine interfaces will mean you can plug your brain straight into external technology devices, says Morris Miselowski. “Within a couple of decades, we’ll not only be able to get information out of our brain and into technology, but we’ll also reverse it and input information into our brain. Turn on lights, open doors, command a wheelchair, learn a new language, see a new sight, or if there’s too much going on in your head, maybe download some of your thinking into offsite storage.”

    You can forget about being attached to your smart phone. In a couple of decades we might be able to plug our brains directly into technology, or at least wear it in a much more convenient way.

    7) Doing your own tax return.

    “Don’t worry about telling the tax department what you spent last year, they already know. All your transactions have been collected, audited and analysed by artificial intelligence. All your deductions, refunds and obligations have been worked out by your robo financial adviser” says Morris Miselowski.

    MEDICAL.

    8) Human surgeons.

    Within the next thirty years, it’s likely that a robot will perform your triple heart bypass, according to futurist Sankar Gopinath. “The development of minimally invasive, smarter, automated, precise, and effective medical technologies means that nano-robots could be used for complex operations where a surgery is deemed critical but dangerous. This tiny equipment can help doctors diagnose the problems with much less blood spillage.”

    Would you be comfortable with a robot doing this work?

    9) Human doctors.

    Instead of visiting doctors, we’ll swallow them, according to Morris Miselowski: “These tiny hair-width nanobot doctors, ingested or inserted, are your own on-board specialist team of medical researchers, diagnosticians and physicians. Programmed to deliver tailor-made medicine to just the right cell, or perhaps take a good look at your colon or bowel and send real time information back to your doctor; they’ll even perform minor internal procedures.”

    10) Single use toilets.

    “We’ll look back at our toilets and be amazed they were only used to transport waste.” Danielle Storey from the Eastern Innovation Centre is developing a system whereby toilets “become diagnostic tools for early disease. We’ll self-manage our health rather than awaiting a doctor’s opinion.”

    FOOD.

    11) Eating meat.

    Author Richard Dawkins predicts that we’ll “look back on the way we treated animals today as something like we today look back on the way our forefathers treated slaves.”

    12) Awkward bill splitting in restaurants.

    “We’ll read the menu on our phone while we’re there (often seeing video or chef comments, or a cooking demonstration), order in an app and pay for it all digitally often without speaking to a waiter. In China this is already the norm and mostly done through WeChat” says Morris Miselowski.

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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    This message has been brought to you by the personal mouthpiece for Rupert Murdoch and we know we can trust in the information because it like looks legit and references guys with PhDs and polysyllabic big sounding words.

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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    Ted, everything in the OP is either in research and development or in existent now. Fact.

    Your post is ridiculous and shows a level of absurdity which comes as no surprise. You are a person who posts the most seriously harmful diarrhea ever bestowed on the Human race...that of a Bible reading/God fearing/Devil believing/church cult attendee dogma ridden nonsense...of which you had the brainwashing enough to post above rhetoric, expecting some kind of interest here at US... which proves where your head's at...in one very serious disjointed disposition...

    If you cannot post something worthwhile or at least acknowledge that the OP is accurate information based in reality...whether you like that information or not, then do not bother...if you carry on posting crap as above and don't contribute then your done here.
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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    I'm not ignorant that all of this is happening. I work in the tech field. I use some of these technologies. I could spend a while talking about the tech aspects, however my point is that this is a viewpoint, not unlike a political viewpoint. There are already people that live under socialism. I consider nations like Venezuela and the USSR to be failures. A universal basic income is not some genius new thing, it is an adaptation the system is attempting to make to avert financial collapse by removing the massive financial overhead and waste inherent in government structures. However, that is not futuristic, but rather socialism by another name.

    The other things are social paradigms. They require consent of the people. Some people may consent and others may not. Western civilization has been built upon the notion of freedom which is why you see so many different types of subcultures, religions, ways of life, etc. Most of what you have mentioned will obliterate all of the diversity of thought and ideas that we have. There are a lot of different types of people who will have substantial problems with this from a number of different angles. So, sure these are all within the realm of possibility, but the question is where and how will they be used? And that remains to be seen.

    All of the new tech is inherently very insecure. So, there will be massive security and issues and hacking associated with driverless cars, voting on the internet, sharing WiFi with your neighbors for micropayments, not stopping at traffic lights, etc. I'm not sure any of these can be overcome without a total surveillance society that watches literally every move and breath you take by design. Once again, I'm not sure many people are ready for this or willing to embrace it.

    I could post to a number of counter trends, but I fear you are too close-minded to see what is already apparent. The main fight of the future will be for ideas and thoughts, for freedom to choose their own ways of life and choose to control their own futures, rather than having a future shoved down their collective throats by some techno-bureaucrat-elitist such as Rupert Merdoch.

    Funny, I never mentioned the bible or God here. Why do you keep bringing that up? If you simply believe differently, then fine. But, from your words it is not too hard to conclude you don't have a problem with me, but with your creator.

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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    At least you made an effort to post Ted, unlike your 1st attempt...thank you.


    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    A universal basic income is not some genius new thing, it is an adaptation the system is attempting to make to avert financial collapse by removing the massive financial overhead and waste inherent in government structures. However, that is not futuristic, but rather socialism by another name.
    I agree, it's not a genius thing, however it's going to be the norm when the general work force in 1st world countries are replaced by AI...you in the tech world should already know this. You also know It's a profit based system run by corporations with shareholders at the spearhead demanding returns. AI offers efficiency, abilities to work 24/7, never late, no sick days, no employment/union issues. From McDonalds to General surgeons, truck drivers, accountants, legal representation and every other employment you can think of...like I said in the OP Ted,
    Like it, hate it or indifferent to it... it matters not because it's happening right here right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    However, that is not futuristic, but rather socialism by another name.
    Agree, however 'futuristic' and 'future' in this context of the OP mean different things...the thread title says 'The future'


    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    There are a lot of different types of people who will have substantial problems with this from a number of different angles. So, sure these are all within the realm of possibility, but the question is where and how will they be used? And that remains to be seen.
    Look no further than what history has shown...peoples of the common elk will have little account as to what they think and desire in terms of what the future holds for them...others do that for them.

    Also, the majority of folk will open arms and relish the coming advancements in tech, as has been shown to date. That won't change anytime soon. Like I said and as you know yourself, it's a runaway train accelerating by several factors, one being the acceptability of the masses... you yourself work in this environment and use some of these technologies...so some of your post is somewhat paradoxical...



    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    All of the new tech is inherently very insecure. So, there will be massive security and issues and hacking associated with driverless cars, voting on the internet, sharing WiFi with your neighbors for micropayments, not stopping at traffic lights, etc. I'm not sure any of these can be overcome without a total surveillance society that watches literally every move and breath you take by design. Once again, I'm not sure many people are ready for this or willing to embrace it.
    Agreed and one shared by all in the industry...however, security will improve as tech evolves, it'll have to. No different to digital/tech based systems we use today, from banking to infrastructure operations to satellites, which provide a huge amount of system based operations we all use everyday.

    People will eagerly accept in a general sense...just like they do now, sure there will be noise made but that'll be all it'll be...noise.


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    I could post to a number of counter trends, but I fear you are too close-minded to see what is already apparent.
    Fear not there Ted...


    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    The main fight of the future will be for ideas and thoughts, for freedom to choose their own ways of life and choose to control their own futures, rather than having a future shoved down their collective throats by some techno-bureaucrat-elitist such as Rupert Merdoch.
    Perhaps...but not for a long whiles. I think you also forget to add the younger generation to this equation...they have embraced all things tech. They only know of a system that operates this way and are indeed helping to drive the ideas and innovations. Case in point, my own kids and moreso my grandkids, only know a world relying on tech based innovations...


    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    Funny, I never mentioned the bible or God here. Why do you keep bringing that up? If you simply believe differently, then fine. But, from your words it is not too hard to conclude you don't have a problem with me, but with your creator.
    I brought it up due to your 1st post, here it is again Ted.
    Your post is ridiculous and shows a level of absurdity which comes as no surprise. You are a person who posts the most seriously harmful diarrhea ever bestowed on the Human race...that of a Bible reading/God fearing/Devil believing/church cult attendee dogma ridden nonsense...of which you had the brainwashing enough to post above rhetoric, expecting some kind of interest here at US... which proves where your head's at...in one very serious disjointed disposition...
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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    I agree, it's not a genius thing, however it's going to be the norm when the general work force in 1st world countries are replaced by AI...you in the tech world should already know this. You also know It's a profit based system run by corporations with shareholders at the spearhead demanding returns. AI offers efficiency, abilities to work 24/7, never late, no sick days, no employment/union issues. From McDonalds to General surgeons, truck drivers, accountants, legal representation and every other employment you can think of...like I said in the OP Ted,
    Yes, however let's not forget where all of this comes from. The corporations are greedy soul sucking machines that will squeeze every last drop of blood out of you to pad their balance sheets. I do know this firsthand.

    However, what the OP entirely misses is that we live in a a mostly free economy still. And this will change it. People are running to tech for a number of reasons. Most people have not entirely though through all of these ramification as of yet. That is also changing as people are experiencing the negatives of this new system.

    First of all, let's be really clear here. I realize the news is hyping AI, but what we are doing is not AI with real machine learning, but rather extremely sophisticated algorithms. The difference here is very large. Computers are not people with brains and vice versa. We think and compute in different ways, as apples and oranges. Tech does have the potential to do everything you said, but the failures are substantially more massive with tech than with people.

    Right now, with human drivers there is no known method to hack into everyone's mind and cause them to crash their cars. That will be possible with automated, driverless cars. We can't even stop malware from getting into corporate and government computer systems. We have electrical system failures and hospital failures caused by hacking and it will only get worse. You absolutely cannot secure the internet the way it has been built. The big issue everyone is trying to fix is authentication. How do you prove to your credit card company, your bank, the website for your election that you are who you say you are? The only thing left is biometrics, but that is also very hackable. In the future, it will be possible to hack everyone's car to crash and it could even be hidden code with a payload set for a future date, like a 9/11 anniversary.

    All of this is being driven by a system that is dying. We can see it everywhere with social collapse and financial collapse. Some of this is definitely caused by disruptive technology. Some of it is caused by government policy. And a whole lot of it is being caused because the economics no longer work. And starting over would be bad for the people who have more money than they can count. All we are seeing is a reboot of the system to give it a bit more life and take down even more people in it. But, that does not alter the fact that it is sick and dying and will die.

    My prediction is that all of this will come about as you have said, but only in very big urban areas like LA, Seattle, San Francisco, Manhattan, etc. The urban areas will keep growing and there will also be smaller growth in the rural areas. The rural areas that participate will be the real breakaway society which is actually happening right now and getting zero press coverage.

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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    Your points have merit Ted, but in the end AI will take a huge chunk of the work force away from everyday folk.


    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    Right now, with human drivers there is no known method to hack into everyone's mind and cause them to crash their cars. That will be possible with automated, driverless cars. We can't even stop malware from getting into corporate and government computer systems.
    Human minds have been hacked since the beginning Ted, sure not from a tech/digital sense but certainly hacked all the same to believe all kinds of garbage...Orthodox religions to name one area of mind hacking.

    System will become so advanced that hacking will be limited, just as it is now. The malware hacks and any other espionage type hacks have not brought the world to a standstill as yet. There will be issues but not to the point where accidents via hacking outnumber Human error...which currently stands at around 99.5% in regards to car accidents.

    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    How do you prove to your credit card company, your bank, the website for your election that you are who you say you are? The only thing left is biometrics, but that is also very hackable. In the future, it will be possible to hack everyone's car to crash and it could even be hidden code with a payload set for a future date, like a 9/11 anniversary.
    Possible sure, but so is the threat for some biotech release wiping out Humanity...The OP again is about 'there ain't no stopping the train' regardless of what we personally think.

    Quote Originally Posted by sjkted View Post
    All of this is being driven by a system that is dying. We can see it everywhere with social collapse and financial collapse. Some of this is definitely caused by disruptive technology. Some of it is caused by government policy. And a whole lot of it is being caused because the economics no longer work. And starting over would be bad for the people who have more money than they can count. All we are seeing is a reboot of the system to give it a bit more life and take down even more people in it. But, that does not alter the fact that it is sick and dying and will die.
    I generally agree in terms of our current behaviour...I know it's hard to see a way out of the mess but one thing I do know is not to underestimate our ability to adapt and alter. Humans are more resilient than we realize. Science and engineering advancements is our only recourse to alter/fix and change the current course. Human behaviours will eventually have to be addressed from an alteration perspective or risk annihilation...and annihilation is currently the betting odds of the day at present.


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    The rural areas that participate will be the real breakaway society which is actually happening right now and getting zero press coverage.
    Yes there is a type of resistance, a breakaway society as you call it, but the masses will continue to march forth on the trajectory we see and that minority will mean little. In my country, smaller rural areas with small populations are deliberately being underfunded in terms of upgrading sewage/water/power due to the financial burden placed on the govt (tax payers coffers) to keep going. So what we see is people forced to move to larger populated areas.

    Small rural towns in all areas of the 1st world countries are dominated by the older generations...not the young. The young choose to follow the current social behaviours and live in populated areas...and that Ted is the ultimate story here. The younger gens are the ones who dictate most things when we talk the future. Remember, once you hit 60-65, you're a liability to society with little left to contribute or ability to brainwash and coerce...you're not part of the future plans.
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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    Probably the only solution that should work, in keeping Earth from becoming totally trashed. That being the air, water, Oceans ,Vegetation and all it's creatures...is to rezone Earth

    Cutting back on our energy use by turning off lights and air conditioning is not the answer. And neither is commissioning extra power plants.

    Instead, the move will be production of energy away from Earth and into outer space, and our planet should become purely residential. Our insatiable appetite for energy is only going to grow and that is the reality.

    Mining the Asteroid belt is going to happen...we've already been there and several companies are in full swing gearing up towards this. Estimates of metals, from the rare kind to the abundant kind found here on Earth are massive. Some estimates are equivalent to the Earth covered in skyscrapers 8000 stories high...Essentially, an unlimited amount of resources within just the asteroids.

    We'll see already made 'reusable rockets' transforming the economics of space travel, which will change everything about how the world operates. Essentially we'll see an industrial free Earth with all such operations happening on Space.

    The Moon is looking very promising as of late, due to this find http://universalspectrum.org/forum/s...ny-On-The-Moon

    This utopian type Earth, end of corporations and such is not going to happen...well not for a very long time if at all, regardless of what I'd prefer to see...I'm a realist so I have little option but to follow and support such ideas, because the alternative is beyond dire.

    Our desire's as a race to reproduce and consume aren't going anywhere fast...that behaviour is a very long way off in terms of changing...if at all.

    The way to protect while the civilization grows is to move off the planet, or at least move certain things off the planet.

    Earth zoned residential ... so if you imagine a planet that’s zoned residential and all the energy intensive and resource intensive practices that currently we do here on the Earth, which damages it, is moved off.

    Based on current practices, I'm all for it.
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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    Here in my own Country New Zealand, and 30 minutes drive from my home, experts gathered in Rotorua to discuss latest technological breakthroughs.

    Here's the ARTICLE:



    Holograms of accurate human skeletons, layered with muscle and organs, veins and vessels are among technological breakthroughs tipped to revolutionise health care.

    Health and technology experts will meet in Rotorua this week to discuss the latest trends - including the holograms, which are already being used overseas instead of cadavers to train medical students, and by surgeons to plan operations.

    Speakers at the 2017 Health Informatics New Zealand Conference - the country's largest digital health event - include Microsoft chief medical officer Dr Simon Kos, who told the Herald on Sunday New Zealanders could benefit from the cutting-edge technology on medical wards in the years to come. There was a chance some patients might no longer have to see GPs when seeking advice over some ailments.

    Recent advances from Microsoft included the developing of "Hololens" virtual reality technology - featuring holograms - which was being used to teach students at Case Western Reserve University in America in the place of cadavers.

    Surgeons were also using the technology to improve planning for complex surgeries. In Norway specialists were using holograms to plan liver surgery and paediatric cardiac surgeries.

    "It can take a scan of a particular patient's heart, not a generic heart, and they are building it holographically in full fidelity," Kos said.

    "They know when they get in that they want to cut here or miss this structure.

    "Now we can render in three dimensions, which is blowing everyone away from medical students in their learning and doctors who are using it pre-operatively."

    Kos said the technology - which he believed would eventually be introduced in New Zealand - was moving so quickly that 3D printing, which was only introduced about five years ago, was already being replaced by holograms.

    The hologram scans meant fewer surprises for surgeons, quicker recovery time and better outcomes for patients and lower costs through planning.

    Nurses were also using Hololens during home visits so they could access patient notes and treat the patient at the same time. They could then put the headset on the patient so, if required, they could have a discussion with a virtual doctor.
    The technology was especially beneficial for patients who were geographically isolated or immobile.

    New computer technology used artificial intelligence to analyse patient data and pinpoint the best time to discharge a patient to reduce hospital readmission.

    Kos wanted to see technology work so healthcare moved from a system that treated people when they became sick to one that prevented illness.

    He said there was still a gap between the technology that was available and what was being used.


    "We need to know how we can best introduce these technologies without compromising our quality of care."
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    Re: The future...in our lifetime.

    SLEEPING WITH THE FISHES...

    Crispr technology along with other genetic advancements, will have a huge impact in a few shorts years. Ethical issues and power broking is yet to been seen as this tech unfolds....Read here


    Kernel founder Bryan Johnson predicts within 15 to 20 years humans will have the ability to hack their own brains and unlock superpowers like incredible memories, computing abilities and transmit brain-to-brain thoughts.

    He’s developing chips that can be inserted to map neural pathways and expects these tools will be “robust” enough for humans to achieve any scenario they can think of in their feeble, unmodified heads.

    “For example, could I have a perfect memory? Could I delete my memories? Could I increase my rate of learning? Could I have brain to brain communication?” Mr Johnson said. “Imagine a scenario where I say: ‘I want to know what it’s like to be a cowboy in the American west in the 1800s,’ and someone creates that experience mentally. I’m able to take that and purchase that from that person and experience that.”

    Blue Abyss operations director Simon Evetts, who is working to unlock the secrets of the world’s oceans and study the effect of extreme environments on the human body, said there may even be a “Homo Oceanis” that lived underwater if we can work out how to transplant genes from other species.

    “Can we somehow work out how dolphins and seals hold their breath for so long and maybe ourselves do that?” Mr Evetts said. “Are we going to try and internalise those things and end up with large thoracic cavities because we’ve got internal gill sets?”

    Blue Abyss CEO John Vickers said while humans might be “edited”, they won’t be replaced.

    “What I want to see in 2030 is that we haven’t lost out to [the] rise of machines. If we completely rely on tech and we develop stuff to abdicate ourselves, we lose what it means to be human,” he said.

    SOYLENT FOR DINNER

    Silicon Valley Robotics managing director Andra Keay said the lifestyle for poor and rich people could be vastly different in 2030 depending on the technology available to them.

    Describing a hypothetical scenario where one wakes to sunrise and birdsong from a curated soundtrack, she said voice assistants could be embedded in the walls to describe your day ahead.

    “I’m very proud of the fact my house is energy neutral. We still have our own car which my daughter will shuttle to school in the safest way,” Ms Keay said, adding that she might work in a collective union that provided better health and benefits than being part of the gig economy.

    However, if you’re poor “that’s not what it looks like”, she continued, describing a world where a family could live on a universal basic income and have to submit feedback survey forms constantly to tech companies as part of an eternal quest for data.

    “Everyone can afford (nutrient food substitute) soylent but if I’ve got cash we can splash on junk food,” she said about a dystopian future. “I do permissions for DNA because I can get paid if my DNA is used in commercial products.”
    Meanwhile, commutes will be done via Uber’s new fleet of custom-designed aircraft that can chew up the “gnarliest” journey in minutes. Chief product officer Jeff Holden announced the company would launch a fleet in Los Angeles by 2020 while overhauling airspace management with NASA.

    “Just as skyscrapers were the solution to commercial and residential density in cities, we believe that moving local transportation to the sky is going to open up incredible mobility bandwidth in cities,” he said.
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