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    The Weinstein fallout...

    Ok, rather a sticky subject throughout the media and Social platforms and frankly one that needed to be addressed.

    I've read all kinds of views in relation to the thread title and subsequent fallouts from others announcing their experiences at the hands of powerful Men.

    Yup, it's a shjt-show with everyone's opinion hammering the social media platforms and not without some joining in just for the sick sake of it...

    However, I read today, from a Woman, a very well written piece and probably the best to date. Here it is.

    We've all had a satisfying shout at sleazeballs, now let's bring about change.

    Since the Harvey Weinstein scandal there has been a lot written saying men are sleazy and rapey and women have been subject to appalling abuse. "I hate men" was one headline this week. Well, sorry, sue me, I still like men. And I think we're missing something here.

    One Hollywood writer said the fundamental predatory nature of Hollywood was based around young attractive females putting themselves in front of men to be judged, appraised and chosen.

    She was right. So you can harangue those men to stop groping the women they are judging, but it doesn't change the fundamental business, this "dark equation", in which a woman is appraised as a product, not a human being.

    And it's not just Hollywood. It's everywhere. Every day, women move around in a culture that does its best to make us dissatisfied with what we see in the mirror.

    What I want to suggest is that now that we've all had a satisfying shout at men for being sleazeballs, perhaps we could focus on changing this underlying equation?

    Because until we stop judging people's worth as if they were a product. the power game is still the same: sexual relationships are a commodity to be traded.

    And it's not all men's fault. Women participate in this objectification, part of which is a sort of "beauty sickness", and teach it to our daughters. We teach them that they have sexual power and no one has the right to take it from them, but it's still a currency to haggle with.

    So far, the Weinstein scandal has led to the message "Don't touch the merchandise!" But until we stop thinking of people as shiny objects, sex and relationships are always going to have a transactional nature.

    Adam Smith said man is an animal that makes bargains. We do, of course. But I'm not sure that is where our deepest humanity is to be found. We are also creatures who are uniquely wired to connect, just because.

    And it's not just Hollywood. It's everywhere. Every day, women move around in a culture that does its best to make us dissatisfied with what we see in the mirror.

    What I want to suggest is that now that we've all had a satisfying shout at men for being sleazeballs, perhaps we could focus on changing this underlying equation?

    Because until we stop judging people's worth as if they were a product. the power game is still the same: sexual relationships are a commodity to be traded.

    And it's not all men's fault. Women participate in this objectification, part of which is a sort of "beauty sickness", and teach it to our daughters. We teach them that they have sexual power and no one has the right to take it from them, but it's still a currency to haggle with.

    So far, the Weinstein scandal has led to the message "Don't touch the merchandise!" But until we stop thinking of people as shiny objects, sex and relationships are always going to have a transactional nature.

    Adam Smith said man is an animal that makes bargains. We do, of course. But I'm not sure that is where our deepest humanity is to be found. We are also creatures who are uniquely wired to connect, just because.
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    Re: The Weinstein fallout...

    Harvey Weinstein is a powerbroker. Power and sex access is as old as human shadows on rocks. The dominant power form in those early days was physical in nature. The big man with the club had access to as much sex as he desired.

    Fast forward to the casting couch and motion pictures. Too much beauty competing for too few film roles makes it a beast's market. Only today, beast no longer means physically dominant male, rather, it refers to those that control access to film roles.

    If the blueprint for predator access to sex had been set in shadows on stone millennia ago ... then why all the hullabaloo in 2017?

    Good question. Simplest answer is modern memes. The times have changed and we demand more of ourselves as a species. The virtuous goal is have fewer power imbalances. The vice reality is that we are accumulating more and more.

    As virtue pleads its case in the murmur of the masses, vice continues to feed its insatiable appetite on the casting couch. To compound matters, behind the murmurs, the masses themselves have become disoriented in their own homes wrt power imbalances. Children are too often heard. Adults are too often chastised for speaking in conservative tones. Porn is ubiquitous. Sexual objectification is the norm. Instant gratification too often gives meaning to meaningless lives. Etc.

    Designed ongoing destruction of the spirit of the masses is a fundamental plank of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, as they seek to reverse the mathematics and power dynamics of a severely tribal small minority existing alongside the inherent natural power of a relatively nontribal large majority. Yes, Harvey Weinstein is one of them: a Protocols insider. But we should not be surprised that he is also one of us: a sexual predator manufactured by the failing battle across cultures of virtue against vice. The battle has been choreographed this way. And we have been willing participants.

    And when that last saint among us decides that there's virtue in vice and vice versa, the sinusoidal wave will have lost its amplitude, the confusion will be complete and we will have reached the midpoint in this incumbent cycle of chaos.


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    ps: Good folks, if you spend time chasing Harvey Weinstein, you'll miss the really big fish: the designers and followers of the Protocols. Are you serious about reversing power imbalances? Then go after those that are designing them. But if you're not serious, then continue building up Sodom and Gomorrah. Weinstein is just a sentinel of things to come.

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    Re: The Weinstein fallout...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zook_e_Pi View Post
    Good folks, if you spend time chasing Harvey Weinstein, you'll miss the really big fish: the designers and followers of the Protocols. Are you serious about reversing power imbalances?
    Which is why the article was on point...

    Because until we stop judging people's worth as if they were a product. the power game is still the same: sexual relationships are a commodity to be traded.

    So far, the Weinstein scandal has led to the message "Don't touch the merchandise!" But until we stop thinking of people as shiny objects, sex and relationships are always going to have a transactional nature.
    Been this way long before the protocols...since the beginning. Weinstein has opened up a space for those to speak freely...as shown in OP letter.
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    Re: The Weinstein fallout...

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    Which is why the article was on point...
    On a different point than mine. I agree with the article's assessment of outcome. Where I have a differing view is that I consider the outcome to be a symptom. The article ignores the disease: the design of things. By contrast, I point to the Zionist design of things as the main problem.

    Been this way long before the protocols...since the beginning. Weinstein has opened up a space for those to speak freely...as shown in OP letter.
    We have evolved substantially since the beginning. One major obstacle standing against further evolution is the modern century's Zionist design of things. This design is pushing back against further evolution because a highly evolved species operates under memes that are antithetical to the Zionist agenda of control ... memes like decentralization and small scale. Which is why we are seeing the glorification of basic instincts and an indifference to virtues. Because such glorification and indifference paves a yellow brick road for humans with a dearth of virtues and a surfeit of vices (e.g. sociopaths) to seize and centralize authority and accumulate large scale. Meanwhile, humans with the opposite arrangement (e.g. the empaths) are forced to compete in a system weighed down by corrupt practices, and because empaths are not born with corrupt natures, they are at a competitive disadvantage. The scum has risen to the capstone of the power pyramid and is now hellbent on occupying it.

    The modern century's power pyramid is essentially an amoral organizational structure, not unlike the primitive jungle order. Instincts, which are amoral, abound. Every attempt to rescue this modern power pyramid from its amoral founding blueprint (e.g. the jungle) has been thwarted by those who control the power pyramid. For good reason. An enlightened species is a decentralized species. And it is moral. Champions of amorality can hardly be expected to surrender to morality.

    Back to your point, Ross. Things haven't always been one way. They have been primitive. Then they have been post-primitive. And then their has been enlightenment. But the last two centuries of Zionist organization have pushed back against the enlightenment with a directed resurrection of primitive instincts. So the blame resides squarely on those who are advancing this resurrection, namely, the secretly organized tribal bankster Zionists and their lapdog dogbone minions.

    The OP article is deficient because it ignores the primary cause of Harvey Weinstein's sexual predatory behavior in the 21st century: a sense of entitlement fostered by the Protocols agenda. An agenda is needed in the 21st century, e.g. to overcome the progression of memes over the millennia. No agenda was required back when Big Og oogled little Trog's sister; just raw instincts, a chase down, a tackle, and some jackhammerin'.

    And whilst the sense of entitlement was Big Og's prerogative and a lion's natural mindset, it has been socially engineered into the mindset of modern century man. Today, both tribal and nontribal Hedonists partake in exploitative practices and enjoy forbidden pleasures. But make no mistake about it, "the lightness of amoral being" is being resurrected primarily to supply a steady stream of nubile nymphs for those ascended to positions of power in society, and a disproportionate number of these emboldened Cheshire cats had found their perches not through merit but through tribal identification.


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    Re: The Weinstein fallout...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zook_e_Pi View Post
    Back to your point, Ross. Things haven't always been one way. They have been primitive. Then they have been post-primitive. And then their has been enlightenment.
    Yes things have evolved since them there cave Men and Woman...

    But...the same behaviour, that of sexual commodities has always been seen as merchandise...again the OP is on point regarding that behaviour. The OP is addressing this point only, Zook. To say she has 'ignored' the disease is not fair. I could however forward you her contact and you could raise that with her...

    Sure, the capstoner's have taken advantage of an 'already' inplace predator type behaviour, as they have done with every other area of Human social interactions for furthering a power base and controlling system.

    But, without the complicit nature of Humans, in a general sense, they would have little power. By definition, all are complicit in aiding and abetting this disease, the design of things...no different to a fashion designer, their designs would be worthless if nobody wore the fashion/item.

    I'm not arguing against your views as written above. I agree, but it's way more complex than just the protocols and the social coercion by those who design. Also I would say that we are all minions to a greater or lesser degree...

    Going straight to the capstoner's is missing the mark, but looking at the wider picture, the nature of Man in the general sense, goes a long way towards finding a solution that allows these types sitting atop that there capstone being there in the 1st place.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zook_e_Pi View Post
    Good folks, if you spend time chasing Harvey Weinstein, you'll miss the really big fish: the designers and followers of the Protocols. Are you serious about reversing power imbalances? Then go after those that are designing them. But if you're not serious, then continue building up Sodom and Gomorrah. Weinstein is just a sentinel of things to come.
    The cap stoner's hold no power without the Weinsteins of the world...they hold no power without the Man on the shovel either...So, chasing all and any minion/complict'uers is helpful in educating others.
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    Re: The Weinstein fallout...

    Sure, the capstoner's have taken advantage of an 'already' inplace predator type behaviour, as they have done with every other area of Human social interactions for furthering a power base and controlling system.
    Precisely.

    Where we disagree is in degree of import of this takeover of genetic instincts and obstructing the taming of said instincts by memetic evolution.

    Think of genetic instincts as wild horses. Think of memetic evolution as the capturing of wild horses and corralling them. Think of the capstoners as breaking down the corral. The question begs, how much wild horse population can coexist with advancing human civilization? That's correct ... a very small amount.

    Apply this to the capstoners. How much capstone mischief can coexist with the progressive aspirations of the rest of humanity? As it stands, the capstoners have seized a grossly disproportionate amount of power relative to their own population numbers; and are proceeding to influence humanity in a grossly disproportionate manner. They are wreaking havoc by tearing down the corrals built by progressive human civilization to confine much of the wild horse population at manageable levels, as it were.

    And that is the most pressing problem of the times. In a nutshell, disproportionate scale.

    The question of personal responsibility doesn't even register when compared with the problem of disproportionate scale.



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